What is With the Howie Roseman Hate and Anger at Jeff Lurie? | Eagles Addict

Howie Roseman and Jeff Lurie

For weeks now, everywhere I turn I hear about how the Philadelphia Eagles should fire Howie Roseman along with Andy Reid and everyone else at season’s end.  I also hear a lot of people seemingly angry at Jeff Lurie for not coming out and addressing the media about the state of the franchise (or firing Reid before the end of the year).

Just this morning, these two subjects were all the rage on sports radio 94WIP.  However, it’s not just there I’ve heard these things, but also on Twitter and other online web sites.

Simply put, I just don’t agree with either notion and frankly, I don’t understand why people feel this way if they were to look at things with a little bit of logic.

First, let’s take a look at Howie Roseman…

The main reason I’ve heard that he should be fired is for poor drafting.  Roseman was promoted to General Manager in 2010 and that was the first draft where he was running the show (for the most part).

First off, the man is young and still a novice at his trade.  Secondly, how much real decision-making on the draft picks he had/has is unknown and a subject for debate.  But, for the sake of argument, let’s just grade him on the drafts under his watch.

In 2010, everyone focuses on the Eagles trading up from pick No. 24 to 13 in order to take Brandon Graham instead of Earl Thomas or JPP.  At the time, everyone viewed JPP as a boom-or-bust type of player and for the most part, viewed Graham as the “safe pick.”

Granted, I wanted Thomas at that pick and was shocked by taking Graham, but at least the Eagles took a safety with their next pick (more on that later).

Graham has struggled for the most part, but let’s consider a few things.  During his rookie year, he was mostly played out of position at defensive tackle because Sean McDermott was trying to emulate the Giants’ defensive line (playing ends inside often).

He posted three sacks and two forced fumbles in 13 games before suffering a significant knee injury.  This injury greatly impacted his 2011 season as well since it happened at the end of 2010 and he was never really fully recovered.

Then he gets pushed back in the rotation because of the whole Washburn/Babin/Wide-Nine crap.  Now that he’s actually getting playing time in his proper position, he’s producing.  In the last three weeks since taking over for Babin, he’s recorded four sacks and a forced fumble.

If you were to project that over a full season, he’d end up with 20 sacks and five forced fumbles (roughly).  I’d say let’s not call him a bust just yet and see what 2013 brings for him.

The Eagles also took Nate Allen with their second pick in that draft.  I’ve called him out several times, but he’s possibly suffering from similar circumstances as Graham.

Like Graham, Allen suffered a major injury in his rookie year.  Prior to the injury, he was looking pretty good…particularly in coverage.  The injury wasn’t really an excuse for his poor play in 2011, but now it’s coming out that perhaps it was the wide-nine system that was doing him in.

Maybe we didn’t realize what kind of effect that system was having on the secondary because we were too focused on the affect to the linebackers.  However, Nate Allen has had a mini-resurrection these past few weeks ever since the wide-nine was scrapped.

Allen might also be a “system player”, as in he needs to be in the right defensive system to excel.  Four weeks ago I was ready to cut him and the entire secondary.  However, now I’m having second thoughts on that and perhaps Allen deserves another shot to prove himself.

The rest of the 2010 draft class had some pure busts, but they also got a few “okay” role players late such as Riley Cooper and Jamar Chaney.  But, keep in mind that this was Howie’s “rookie year.”

The 2011 draft is probably one more to forget than to remember.  However, first-round pick Danny Watkins was the best guard on numerous draft pundits’ board.  He was taken where most people thought he’d go so unless you want to fault Roseman for not having a crystal ball, you can’t say he “reached” for a guy here.

Plus, I still have hope for Watkins if he can get his head in the game.  I think that is what’s holding him back…his desire to play the game. Are general managers, scouts and all other evaluators supposed to be able to predict a player’s future desire?

That’s an easy thing to do a snow-job on for a player, they just have to act excited and professional.

Besides Alex Henery, Jason Kelce and maybe Stanley Havili, the rest of that draft was a disaster, I’ll give you that.  However, everyone focuses on Watkins and I just can’t fault him for not being able to tell if a guy will not want to play football in two years.

Furthermore, that was just Roseman’s “sophomore year.”

2012, Roseman’s junior year in the big leagues, he had a draft that everyone in Philly loved.  And so far, it looks like the 2012 draft class could eventually be the best in Philadelphia Eagles history!

Only two of their nine picks in last year’s draft haven’t panned out (McNutt and Washington), but everyone else looks promising.

Therefore, of Roseman’s three drafts, we have one mediocre (but could turn out to be better, 2010), one “bad” draft (2011) and one excellent draft.  And the fact that the last draft was the excellent one, why would you want to can him now?

Furthermore for Howie…Everyone was feeling pretty good last summer when the team was making all the right “feel good” moves by extending and/or re-signing certain players.  Remember that?  Yes, everyone was unanimous about the Eagles doing the “right thing” by their players.

You can argue that Reid may have been the reason for that, but Roseman is the guy that made it happen.  Roseman was also the guy who orchestrated all those deals for all those free agent signings in 2011.

That was a great failure, but that’s not Roseman’s fault.  That was Reid’s fault.

Some people right now may point to the recent Mike Patterson issue.  I don’t know the full extent of the role Roseman played in that, but I’ll agree, it was badly mishandled and usually the GM oversees those things.

However, at least they did the right thing by correcting it.

To me, it seems Roseman has done a pretty good job for the most part.  You have to let him grow into being a GM and overall, I think he’s doing just that.  I have no qualms about him going forward…for now.

The other thing I don’t get is the anger at Jeff Lurie.  People think he’s weak and/or being disrespectful to fans for not addressing the media about the brutality of this season.

To that, I say, what the hell do you expect the guy to say?  Let’s think about this for a minute…

In all likelihood, Lurie made the decision a long time ago that he was going to let Reid finish out this year no matter what.  Reid deserves to have that respect anyway.  Let the man go down with the ship if he chooses to do so.

Therefore, why would Lurie subject himself to a barrage of questions from the media about firing Reid right now?  What’s he going to say, “yeah, I’m going to fire him in the locker room after the last game?”

What purpose would that serve?  It would only serve the purposes of those hot-head individuals who need instant gratification.  We all know Reid is going to be fired at the end of the season, there is no need to do it now and there is definitely no need for Lurie to publicly state that he will be doing just that at the end of this month.

It would be indignant for Lurie to say anything to the public about Reid’s fate before it happens.

You may not care, but Reid deserves better than that.

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4 Responses to What is With the Howie Roseman Hate and Anger at Jeff Lurie?

  1. mike g says:

    Your article is trash, all you did was make up excuse after excuse for the poor results of howie roseman. The guy is in WAY over his head, he doesn’t have an eye for talent only for numbers. Great players are attracted to teams with know how, and roseman dont know how. Andy Reid is at fault because he thinks he is smarter than everybody in the room, and demands submission to his thought process. He picked roseman and on paper he seems credible like his player choices, but in real life, roseman would be the guy on the siddeline, not picked to play the game cause…he dont know how.

    • Mike, I’m not sure what you’re getting at. I made logical points about Howie, which point do you not agree with? I think people are overreacting at this point about Howie…we will see over the next two years if he is legit. I think the Eagles had a great offseason last year and Howie was a big part of that.

  2. Mathew says:

    You call the Wide Nine Washburn experiment crap and then make excuses for players that Roseman has had a hand in signing not performing well because of it. But then make no mention that it was Roseman and not Reid who was the driving force behind signing Washburn and bringing the wide nine to Philly. Also you then put all the blame of the 2011 fantasy draft style signing of free agents on Reid. Which is an utter shock to me. I dont remember the Eagles ever having an off season like they did in 2011 before Roseman got the GM Job. And I definitely remember Roseman gushing about how much he loved each player they signed that year and him up at the podium making it perfectly clear his roll in bringing them to Philly. You can lie, rewrite history, and make excuses why he isnt responsible for the disaster the Eagles have been since he became GM but your not going to fool anyone who has watched it for themselves.

    • Mathew, Roseman made the deals for all those free agents because that’s his job. The driving force behind all those signings was Andy Reid, and Lurie alluded to Joe Banner having a hand in it as well. Basically, those guys told Howie to “make it happen” and he did, therefore he did his job. It’s been said time and time again that Reid was the decision maker on all player personnel.

      Also, who said Roseman was the driving force behind getting Washburn? That was all Reid, not Roseman. Not sure where you got that info from.

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